Reply. Both Jacob Hoff and Bill Ronte were successfully cured of, or convinced to seek help for, their additions (+12). This is where the NCR sent prisoners to "reform" through hard labor. Powder gang merchants will sell to the player character with 1-to-1 exchange rate. They pray on caravans and travellers, including you. Also, assuming you care about what your reputation is with the Powder Gangers, the reputation reduction you by killing them in the quest hardly affects anything regarding the three or four quests regarding the Powder Gangers. Defend the NCRCF from the NCR attack, keep Eddie alive (+12). Factions - posted in New Vegas Discussion: So I became Shunned to the NCR and expected that the next time I ran into one of them I would immediately be attacked, but to my surprise I wasnt. You lose karma for stealing, but it's more of a personal marker. So I became Shunned to the NCR and expected that the next time I ran into one of them I would immediately be attacked, but to my surprise I wasnt. You can get infamy with the Powder Gangers, and if have a mod that fixes the bug where the Powder Gangers faction wasn't given evil karma, you can steal from them without a karma penalty. NCR Correctional Facility appears only inFallout: New Vegas. I know there are missions you can get from them at the NCRCF, but I get shot on site. kill sh t heads for early game karmaand no body can touch my sweet Sunny Trudy sandwich. Since he is not part of the Powder Ganger faction, he will not attack even if the Powder Gangers in the room become hostile. He is not a Powder Ganger and says he is only staying there to serve out his sentence out of respect to the NCR. How do I do that? The player character may receive discounts with merchants, provoke attacks from hired thugs, or simply be treated differently. [Non-game 1][7], Under the lead of Samuel Cooke, a small group of inmates gathered weapons and explosives before rebelling against the NCR staffing the facility. IMO the best good guy plan is to not finish Ghost Town Gunfight until you do I Fought the Law. But, you loose a lot of rep with them if siding with Goodsprings. When I want to play with the Powder Gangers, I just skip the Good springs confrontation altogether. The Powder Gangers (also referred to as Powder Gangsters by Johnson Nash) are a gang of escaped prisoners operating in the Mojave Wasteland in 2281 . For specific low-level range values for various factions, see the talk page. If you complete Ghost Town Gunfight without personally killing Joe Cobb, I believe the reputation hit is mild enough not to turn the NCRCF permanently hostile. Quests How do you get the key to open a set of doors in sunset sarsaparilla headquarters? Broken, bitten, maimed and cut. Maybe if they hadn't bothered to design the Prison Uniforms or hand place a bunch of empty whiskey bottles around the NCRCF facility they could have deleted the little part in the file that makes ash piles never go away, or they could have improved pathfinding for companions. There is also a fridge, a Sunset Sarsaparilla vending machine, and a Nuka-Cola vending machine. Helping the town is the more moral choice. With the exception of the White Glove Society, Great Khans and Powder Gangers in Vault 19, all factions will attack the player with a negative reputation. I think with the NCR what people are saying is right: Shunned isn't enough for them to shoot on sight. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I Fought the LawMy Kind of TownEddie's Emissary What happened was is I sided with good springs at the beginning and killed all the other guys, then after being vilified I used console commands to set my rep with them to neutral and when that didn't work, idolized. Each action that gains Fame or Infamy is assigned a set value in the editor, which is added via script: Fame and Infamy (denoted 1 and 0 in the console) are earned by doing helpful or harmful deeds, respectively, to the faction. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Stealing chems on the table in the warden's office gives the player character infamy with the Powder Gangers, even if they are all dead. Even if the player character is idolized by the Boomers, the doctor will not provide them any medical attention, saying that he needs any supplies left to treat the wounded. I recently started a new play through of Fallout New Vegas, and i wanted to do some of the powder gangers quests because i had never done them before. Kill every Ganger in the main building apart from Eddie, leave the building and wait a day, come back with a powder ganger outfit, sneak until you're just outside the office, then stop sneaking and run to talk with him. However, Carter and the Powder Ganger bodyguards in the warden's office will still be hostile. Speak to Julie again about donating a certain chem after at least nine doses have been donated, resulting in her mentioning that they now have a surplus of that chem, regardless of whether more is then given, as the dialogue itself is what triggers the Fame boost (+2, maximum of +6, once all three chems are in surplus). Quests Trudy is good for food on hardcore and she can have a decent amount of caps. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. NCRCF (exterior)NCRPrisonAdministrationNCRPrisonBlockANCRPrisonBlockBNCRPrisonVisitorsCenter Local map This was changed in the December 14, 2010 update. I've done the goodsprings side many times and still did powder gangers quests and walked freely through their territory. If that doesn't work, I do ghost town gunfight after the NCRCF. Why did the NCR think it was a good idea to give convicts dynamite and to send a felon from their jail in California that is known for using explosives to commit crimes to the Mojave jail that was undermanned? Killing members of any faction from a [HIDDEN] state will not cause one to gain Infamy as long as the weapon is considered silent and the target dies with one attack, or if one uses Mister Sandman. Hannigan With every faction except Goodsprings, the Boomers and Novac, reputation will reset to neutral. My game is unlucky enough to be severely bugged when it comes to the Powder Gangers so Im real weary now when it comes to something to do with my reputation in game. Fame is positive and Infamy is negative. NCR Correctional Facility appears only in Fallout: New Vegas . It is affected by positive and negative deeds that affect the faction in question, such as completing quests or killing members, respectively. I thought being "shunned" toward a faction would result in them attacking me on site? However, he will continue in casual dialogue as long as one has a good reputation with the gang. You can always try to wear a PG outfit and sneak in that way to the prison and talk to the leader in the Admin building. You have to be sneaking (crouched) and you have to be hidden (it'll say [HIDDEN] at the top of the screen when you're [HIDDEN],) to avoid gaining negative reputation with whatever faction you're stealing from. Well It ried that and it didn't work, screw it I'm just going to kill them all and see if I get the good ending anyway. He will aggro as you leave but you can just repeat until you can side with the NCR. Equip the armor of the faction the player character is trying to work with to reset reputation to neutral. Negative reputation for all towns and factions, For an overview of the game mechanic across titles, see. The Powder Gangers are hostile toward me. 5. Reputation is separated into two categories: Fame and Infamy. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. Offer additions to the Boomer school curriculum for the. gamespot.comgiantbomb.commetacritic.comfandom.comfanatical.com, Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReportAd. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. MetalGearGekko 11 years ago #1. A possible solution is to travel to the Mojave Outpost, put on non-faction clothing/armor, go to where Major Knight is located, save and then speak to Major Knight; select the Speech option asking if there is anything the player can do to help. NCR hit squads will warn the player character to change their reputation with NCR within three days or they will come after them, trying to kill the player character. Hostile is different. The prison has one main entrance, which is guarded by a Powder Ganger named Dawes. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_reputations#Gaining_reputation_points_9. Since there really isn't anything left to do there after the battle, it couldn't hurt. Even if you earn rep they'll permanently hate you and shoot you on sight. The community on the outskirts of the Strip has its own code, accepting to those that help, and shunning to those that do not. Securitron J7-82463 here, under the direct authority of New Vegas' sole proprietor, Robert Edwin House. This is a very simple mod, all it does is make Joe Cobb and his five Powder Ganger friends associated with the Fiends. Always alone? [Non-game 1] However, as the war with the Legion escalated, more and more prison guards were redeployed to the Colorado River despite the warden's objections. No I did not know, I don't spend my time looking through ALL of the mods. In other words, while it is possible to move from 'Hated' to 'Sneering Punk', then 'Unpredictable', then 'Dark Hero' by doing more and more good deeds while avoiding bad ones, there is no permanent way to move from 'Hated' back to 'Neutral' or from 'Hated' to 'Idolized.' #2 Silverio Dec 29, 2014 @ 5:10am Thanks for the quick response. There will be a man sitting at one of the tables named Meyers, who can play a part in the My Kind of Town questline. [Non-game 1] Given the fact that the convicts working on the railroads were provided with high explosives in their work and were predominantly violent criminals jailed for serious crimes, this created ripe conditions for a prison break. Buildings Wiping out every Powder Ganger in the facility may cause a prospector to appear here and remain indefinitely. Chet can actually store some good crafting parts, some rarer mods, and for some reason I often see him keeping around a bunch of Caravan cards. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. He can unlock the door for a price of 100 caps. [4], Before the Great War, the NCR Correctional Facility was the Jean Conservancy, a low-security all-female state prison. Even if the player character's reputation is neutral, if they have sided with the. Similar to this, one can "sit" in one of the outhouses in the southwest corner from outside the fence, effectively teleporting them inside the facility. Camp Forlorn Hope morale was rebuilt decently before agreeing to stage the attack on Nelson with Major Polatli (+4). I reloaded my last save which I made 2 hours ago :(. There are two things to keep track of: karma and reputation. For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Can anyone help with Powder Gangers and NCR early on?". Powder gangers attack me even though idolized at base. Also, once the reputation of 'Wild Child' is earned, there is no ability to change it at all. Using their outfit with bad reputation doesn't work, the unnamed Powder Gangers leaves you alone, but the named ones (Dawes, Eddy, etc) will still turn hostile. Flatter Caesar by asking how to serve "the mighty Caesar" further when talking again after dealing with the, Teach Decanus Severus at Cottonwood Cove how to make, Defeat the two slaves in the arena during. A state-of-the-art subreddit from Vault-Tec. Fallout: New Vegas. Powder Gangers are not good guys, you get good karma for killing them so why if you are playing a good character are you bothered that they don't like you? Once the dialogue is complete, check the Pip-Boy. One of the many mining car collections found in the facility, State prison sign before the turn off to the NCRCF. Mercy killing the NCR trooper hostages (+2). ? -Find Vault 19 and complete the quest there. Also, be aware that karma is largely irrelevant in New Vegas and that it is infamy with specific factions which gets you shunned by them. NCR Correctional Facility You can actually do all of Eddie's requests without killing anyone, so no karma issues. New California Republic Correctional Facility, NCR Correctional Facility terminal entries, Warden's Terminal, Guard transfers to the east, Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide faction profiles, Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide Collector's Edition Tour of the Mojave Wasteland. Speaking to him will initiate the I Fought the Law quest. But I do like betraying the PGs and assaulting the prison in that one quest though. Camp Forlorn Hope morale was rebuilt slightly before agreeing to stage the attack on Nelson with Major Polatli (+2). Valve Corporation. He is a mild-mannered ex-sheriff who will engage in conversation with the player character. Some think that the reset of reputation is caused by committing an infamous act towards a faction while wearing that faction's clothing. Rebuilding to a neutral reputation status (black on table above) will allow for Cass to be recruited as a companion again, despite her possible angered departure beforehand which caused her to leave. It's an interesting bug, one I have no idea how I produced. Well join the Powder Gangers. Mister Holdout will sell weapons to the player character at an inflated price. There are very few ways but here a re a couple off the top of my head. Only "Shunned" by Powder Gangers after Ghost Town Gunfight. Another advantage is that this mod causes less bloat, by altering less entries. I think you can also start Come Fly With Me just by entering the REPCONN Test Site, without talking to anyone in Novac. If the player character has a Liked reputation and helps out enough with the Boomers, they will be offered to raise the. It is affected by positive and negative deeds that affect the faction in question, such as completing quests or killing members, respectively. Here's the thing about stealing: Don't get caught. I can still walk into their towns, trade, etc. Gangers quest is buggedbadly. I see so many ppl on here w/ reputation bugs (myself included)I wish an official fix would come out soon. Completing Ghost Town Gunfight should now only make you shunned by the Powder Gangers which is caused by completion of the quest and not the death of the Joe Cobb. Posts: 3446. If anything this taught me to save more often. Other than it being the starting area of the game it's pretty boring imo. If you do it fast enough, normal dialogue will ensue and you can start I Fought The Law. A workbench can be found near the door along with an owned crate of explosives. At this point, the player character can choose to either kill Pearl (which will drop their reputation with the Boomers to Vilified) or fulfill their promise. Contents 1 Background 2 Organization 3 Relations with the outside 4 Technology 5 Interactions with the player character 5.1 Quests 5.2 Effects of player's actions 6 Members 7 Notable quotes 8 Endings Compatibility They only have 2 quests to gain relation with them and if you side with Goodsprings it's really hard to even do the second one (not that doing it would make them hate you much less). Also, be aware that karma is largely irrelevant in New Vegas and that it is infamy with specific factions which gets you shunned by them. 102. At the beginning of the game, i sided with the Town Of Goodsprings against the powder gangers and everytime i try to go to the NCRCF i get shot at and i cant ally with them. Still, the bug you're talking about does exist. The elite society only accepts the finest candidates. Eddie can still see through your disguise, but there's a delay between the time where he first spots you and when he aggros. taking the prison for the NCR or holding the prison for the Powder Gangers. If you managed to get yourself vilified, you out of luck. Khans value strength, determination, and resilience. --------------COMPATABILITY-------------- Their biggest raid occurred on Sloan, where they stole an entire cache of dynamite used by the workers to mine Quarry Junction. If you manage to have the Goodsprings NPCs deliver the killing blows on the Powder Gangers during the shootout then you'll only end up being Shunned. Fallout Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. I think with the NCR what people are saying is right: Shunned isn't enough for them to shoot on sight. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I do like the lore of the powder gangers a lot more than goodsprings. For example, if the player character wears Legion armor and kills an NCR soldier, Infamy will be gained, but will be reset to one's prior reputation upon the removal of the disguise. But there is something weird here. For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Shunned from Mojave Outpost and Vicki and Vance Casino in Primm". They can kill him without incurring the wrath of the other gang members and enter the facility. Two additional entrances are opened during the New California Republic assault at the end of the Powder Gangers' questline. I've done the Powder Gangers quests, and quite frankly there just isn't any incentive to help them. Our Fallout New Vegas Game Guide includes a walkthrough across this. Anyway to undo it. Info Though not active in game, it is included for the sake of completeness. BUt that was only after I had only killed the powder gangers in good springs and a 2-3 more on the way between Primm and NCRCF. New vegas has two settings, rep and hostility. The only way to save Goodsprings and still be able to walk into the NCRCF is to never take part in the fight, let the townsfolk kill all gang members. He is located at Powder Ganger camp south, which is just south of the prison. Assignment is the defense of New Vegas. Reputation in Fallout: New Vegas is a measurement of how the different factions in the Mojave Wasteland perceive the player character. Valve Corporation. Short of either eliminating them entirely or using console commands, probably not. You see, Joe Cobb is part of a larger chain-gang called "Powder Gangers" and has a smaller gang ready to attack the town of Goodsprings. Only chance probably is to use stealthboys to get to Eddie. NCR Correctional Facility Vilified by Powder Gangers, is this bad? As if there's anything in this game that's not incomplete. Since I will now not be able to talk to Eddie to get to the stage where I can betray him by initiating the NCR attack, I was wondering if there is another chance to start the NCR attack on the facility. They tell me to get lost most of the time, but if being vilified by NCR meant attacked on sight, you pretty much would have to stay away from civilization altogether. Powder Ganger Rusher: An outfit fit for a psycho. This quest is pretty bad designed, I mean if you want to clean out the facility you have to play nice with the gangers first? (So they wouldn't fall off cliffs). Understaffed. You keep the Trudy, the bartender, and Doc Mitchell alive, so thats a plus. Accessing the "Squad Readiness Reports Terminal" on the front desk in the. The NCR is an equal opportunities employer. Press J to jump to the feed. Alternatively, you could acquire an NCR uniform to disguise yourself and try if you can then talk to Dusty or even Andy about their quests. 1K. Siding with the Powder Gangers in Goodsprings will get you Shunned by the NCR. Persuade the Great Khans to release the hostages and then tell the NCR to honor the agreement to escort them back to. You have Chet and Trudy as vendors for that part of the map. He can either be convinced to "move on" with 30 Speech skill or killed. I didn't realize that was necessarily a bug. Map I think that the game would have been much better suited if they had replace all the Powder Gangers with random raiders, Eliminated their two missions or at least the option to side with them, and then spent the extra time fixing glitches in the game. 000E19D6 (exterior)0008D516 (admin)0008D0FA (cell block A)0008D48E (cell block B)0008D0D5 (visitors center) Tai Scott. For more information, please see our They disappear completely from the storyline after the opening area. I can't remember if Shunned reputation is enough to actually trigger a faction hostile-on-sight, though. People will shoot at you if they see you stealing regardless of Reputation, but if it's just that they should return to normal after three in-game days (so you can just come back later or wait it out). New vegas has two settings, rep and hostility. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_reputations#Gaining_reputation_points_9. Headwear is found in articles of matching armor where possible. Successfully assisted Hardin in replacing Elder McNamara as Elder of the Mojave Brotherhood of Steel with himself, and therefore did not assist McNamara in his own tasks (+4). All rights reserved. Instead all they do is mouth off to me in dialogue. I did the mission in the first town where you kill all the powder gangers, not realizing that it would have repercussions, and now I'm vilified by the gang. Support items like the NCR Emergency Radio will also become useless, and faction privileges like the McCarran monorail will be lost. Circumstances, but circumstances can change. I only start in Goodsprings occasionally. It's true that Powder Gangers are very useless. It's true that Powder Gangers are very useless. Mister Holdout will sell weapons to the player character at a discount price. you can beam yourself inside the prison by using an outhouse inside (from outside) that you can see from the south part of the prison. Unlike other items in his inventory, pickpocketing the key will never fail as long as the player character is hidden. Cookie Notice Doctors Upon entering the facility through the front door, one will find themself in the visitor's center, a lounge-like area with tables, a desk, a first-aid box and a counter with a broken terminal on it. It is possible to pickpocket the key from him to avoid the fee. I never saw much reforming around here, myself. I think that may be by design. What was your reputation with them at that time? There's absolutely no reason to be friendly with the Powder Gangers since their quests are pretty awful, and you don't get any decent swag. However, upon equipping an NCR faction armor/clothing, there is a chance reputation will reset back to neutral again. Dynamite is only good with perk but for my, I prefer frag or plasma grenades. They're hostile to the player for the most part, so they're just asking to get popped. The leader of the local Powder Gangers, Eddie, will be killed if one sides with the NCR or can be saved if they help the Powder Gangers. If Arcade had not previously been recruited, and reputation was. ), So I've always sort of helped Ringo out in this mission but this time I decided to help the Powder Gangers. But it is a difficult quest for low level characters. Joe Cobb): Rebuilding to a neutral reputation status (black on table above) will allow for Boone to be recruited as a companion again, despite his possible angered departure beforehand which caused him to leave. Warden Nathan EddieSergeant Lee (optional) Powder Gangers are members of the Powder Gangers living in the Mojave Wasteland in Fallout: New Vegas . Yeah, but given the circumstances the NCR are serving as the marshals, troopers and governor therefore they would have the power to pardon and deputize at their own discretion. I pretty much couldnt get in but i killed someone close to that area that had a key so i got in and killed every single thing in there. This location is ideal for player housing, particularly during. Camp Forlorn Hope morale was rebuilt fully before agreeing to stage the attack on Nelson with Major Polatli (+12). (Many cops in real life are facing the same judgement too.) Krystal Wilson. Unlike factions, they cannot alter a town's reputation with faction armor. For example, if killing a Powder Ganger while wearing a uniform of theirs, it might reset all faction reputations. Where do you find the key for the 2nd floor of the broadcast building at Black Mountain? *shrugs*. Fallout: New Vegas The NCR, Mr. House, and Caesar's Legion are battling it out for control of New Vegas. Exploring the Mojave: Southern New Vegas 44 Cottonwood Cove 45 Exploring the Mojave: Western New Vegas 46 Exploring the Mojave: From Westside to Jacobstown 47 Jacobstown 48 Finishing the Outskirts and Claiming the Remnants Power Armor 49 Freeside Old Mormon Fort 50 Atomic Wrangler 51 The Kings School of Impersonation 52 The New Vegas Strip Dropping to a neutral reputation status (black on table above) will allow for Arcade being recruited as a companion again, despite his possible angered departure beforehand which caused him to leave. My current playthrough has that bug with the Legion. 1. Best. Choosing to spread the new power equally across the entire Vegas grid (+12). He helped the gangers take the town and "received rep with the gangers" which promptly disappeared. Fallout: New Vegas side quest Ghost Town Gunfight Powder Gangers attacking Goodsprings Location Goodsprings Given by Trudy Ringo Rewards 250 caps (100 at Goodsprings, 150 at the Crimson Caravan Company) 150 XP Goodsprings fame +12 Powder Gangers infamy +12 Factions Goodsprings Powder Gangers Related quests Run Goodsprings Run Technical Editor ID Is this how it should be? Please present your passport. The combined effects of the two scales result in an overall reputation that is either positive, neutral, or negative. Thanks mate. However, after hearing his offer, choosing to ignore it will not provoke any altercation. Disguises are only available for the five big factions (Brotherhood, Legion, Khans, NCR, and Powder Gangers) and, as such, only mask the standing with those five factions. [Non-game 1][6] The inmates were tasked with maintaining a railroad alongside the Long 15 under military supervision, keeping the vital link between the Boneyard and New Vegas alive. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. Doing Cooke's quests also nets fame, but no rank up. You can have minimum rep and some factions wont attack you provided you did a couple of good things for them (off the top of my head I think you can even be vilified and provided you didnt shoot anyone they'll just be really rude to you.) Reputation will probably have reset from neutral to the proper standing. The Gangers are violent and hate the NCR with a passion. They disappear completely from the storyline after the opening area. Complete How Little We Know by assisting Big Sal at Gomorrah in his preparations to stage an uprising on the Strip for Caesar (-12). This happened to me when I was vilified. The actual quest to take back the NCRCF is buried within the quests to help the Powder Gangers. The ranges of reputation vary by faction. Fame/Infamy are tracked independently of each other. However, any faction that was hostile towards the Courier will remain so, despite the change. The Followers respond well to charity and acting in the interests of the common wastelander. NVCE changes their appearance. [3] This led to deathclaws settling into the quarry and plaguing the northern reaches of Long 15, shutting down caravan traffic to New Vegas. Everytime I've done this quest (quite a few times) I've always ended up "Vilified" with the Power Gangers, but in my current play through I've only become "Shunned." Unless this was patched in, then no. So I am now more or less around Novac, the NCR has been put to the task of keeping Primm in check and I have unfortunately missed out on going to the NCRCF before handling the Powder Gangers at Goodsprings. Eddie, the leader of the remaining Powder Gangers, has set up his headquarters in the administration building. Be violent enough and fit right in. Only "Shunned" by Powder Gangers after Ghost Town Gunfight Everytime I've done this quest (quite a few times) I've always ended up "Vilified" with the Power Gangers, but in my current play through I've only become "Shunned." . Not all convicts are evil and malicious they just happen to be on the wrong side of the law, misguidance or they were setup and or given an unfair trial by corrupt and or incompetent governing. Turn in all 3 supply caches and pass the Science check for the irradiated supplies (+2). Karma generally doesn't matter. In the table below, these are colored green, black, and red respectively. Technical Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). I killed some. This mod only alters a single entry, the Goodsprings Powder Ganger faction, and it only alters one setting of the entry. It's a sort of tutorial for the reputation system. They are introduced in Fallout: New Vegas as a large group of escaped convicts running amok on the I-15 highway area, harassing the small towns of Nipton, Goodsprings, and Primm.